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#2678372 - 02/23/09 04:16 PM The Master Plane List ****  
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Does anyone know of a confirmed plane list for the game? I have been going through screen shots trying to pick out every different type of plane I can see and came up with this list. It probably is not very accurate as some of the planes are only in half a frame of a video. Lets see if we can pick out all the planes.

Confirmed planes are linked
Unconfirmed Flyable planes have linked cockpit pictures
Unconfirmed planes are listed with no link
Note: Pictures do not reflect the final product and or guarantee the plane will be in the game.

British
Bristol F2B Fighter
D.H.4
D.H.9
F.E.2b
Handley Page 0/400
R.E.8
S.E.5a, Cockpit
Sopwith Camel
Sopwith Dolphin
Sopwith Pup
Sopwith Snipe
Sopwith Triplane, Cockpit

French
Breguet 14
Nieuport 17, Cockpit
Nieuport 28
Spad VII, Cockpit
Spad XIII, Cockpit


German
Albatros D.III
Albatros D.V/D.Va
DFW C.V
Fokker D.VII, Cockpit
Fokker Dr.I, Cockpit
Gotha G.V
Halberstadt Cl.II
Pfalz D.III/IIIa
Pfalz D.XII
Roland D.VI
Rumpler C.IV
SSW D.III

Other:
British Observation Balloon
German Observation Balloon
British Mark A Whippet Tank
British Mark IV Tank ~54 seconds in
French Renault FT-17/18
French Schneider CA1 Tank
German A7V Tank

If I have linked the wrong picture to the wrong plane please cuss me out and point out the error!

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#2678391 - 02/23/09 04:48 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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There were plenty of aircraft externals, some textured some just wire frame, displayed by the devs in the KOTS days. Most of the old screens are archived at this link. I'm not sure why the dev's don't have them posted on the new site, they look very good even though some of them are a couple of years old.

http://wwiaircombat.com/pics/index.php?cat=3

I'll leave it to others to come up with a possible AI aircraft list, I'm not that good at WW1 aircraft ID's smile


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#2678393 - 02/23/09 04:49 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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#2678395 - 02/23/09 04:52 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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Master,

This is what we've seen in actual 3D models previewed (to the best of my recollection):

Nieuport 17
Spad VII
Spad XIII
Nieuport 28

Albatros D.III
Albatros D.V/D.Va
Fokker Dr.I
Pfalz D.III/IIIa
DFW C.V
Halberstadt Cl.II
Rumpler C.IV
Roland D.VI
Pfalz D.XII
Fokker D.VII
SSW D.III
Gotha G.V

F.E.2b
R.E.8
Sopwith Pup
Sopwith Triplane
S.E.5a
Bristol Fighter
Sopwith Camel
Sopwith Dolphin
Handley Page 0/400
D.H.4
D.H.9
Sopwith Snipe



#2678407 - 02/23/09 05:02 PM Re: Plane List [Re: FlyRetired]  
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I am going back through and linking the planes with screenshots I have found. It will be harder to do so with videos but it might still be possible. FlyRetired, can you link any of those planes to screenshots?

#2678416 - 02/23/09 05:10 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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We see that Master, and that'll be cool!

I think it's probably better if you guys access what's been archived from the previews, I could get confused and embarass myself.

The only thing is, as you dig, and the older the screenshots are, the less they'll look like the finished product. This might be why some of these older views aren't officially archived (they're even better looking now). Smile2

#2678421 - 02/23/09 05:18 PM Re: Plane List [Re: FlyRetired]  
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Well this isnt the "official plane list" so old screen shots will be acceptable in my opinion. smile

I am also going to go back through and any plane that I can find a cockpit view of will have it's cockpit posted so that we know which ones "might" be flyable.

#2678425 - 02/23/09 05:21 PM Re: Plane List [Re: FlyRetired]  
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Nice idea, might be good as a sticky too!

Master, the Nieuport 23 will look just like the N.17 (I'm not sure if the N.17bis, or the N.23bis were ever previewed).

#2678438 - 02/23/09 05:41 PM Re: Plane List [Re: FlyRetired]  
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Master,

Here's a pair that hasn't made the list.







Whoops, I told you I'd embarrass myself!

#2678446 - 02/23/09 05:52 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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#2678477 - 02/23/09 06:44 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Vanderstok]  
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Master, here's one you might want to use with the Nieuport 17.


#2678536 - 02/23/09 08:31 PM Re: Plane List [Re: FlyRetired]  
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Sofar so good, lots of planes have been matched up. We still need to match planes to their cockpits smile

http://wwiaircombat.com/pics/thumbnails.php?album=5

Get to work guys! hahaha

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#2678584 - 02/23/09 10:02 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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Master, thanks so much for this effort.


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#2678588 - 02/23/09 10:09 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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#2678607 - 02/23/09 10:30 PM Re: Plane List [Re: FlyRetired]  
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Master, if you incorporate all this info in your first posting then I think this thread will deserve a sticky.


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#2678610 - 02/23/09 10:35 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Freycinet]  
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It has all be updated sofar. Looks like we hit this hard with a group effort and have almost all of FlyRetired's list fleshed out. Keep an eye out for those last few planes the next time you revisit some of the videos.

#2678614 - 02/23/09 10:49 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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Excellent, and four stars from me.


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#2678619 - 02/23/09 10:55 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Freycinet]  
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From my saves:

R.E.8



Halberstadt Cl.II



Roland D.VI (one of my favs)



Rumpler C.IV



Gotta find the SSW D.III!

#2678623 - 02/23/09 11:07 PM Re: Plane List [Re: FlyRetired]  
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Oh dear, they have developed quite a number of aircraft over the years! I better save up some cash because I'm going to buy all of em!
Are there going to be package deals? Buy two Albatros and get a Halberstadt for free? wink

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#2678624 - 02/23/09 11:10 PM Re: Plane List [Re: FlyRetired]  
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Originally Posted By: FlyRetired

Gotta find the SSW D.III!


It was made by a third-party developer called Daniel Santos, I seem to remember...


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#2678626 - 02/23/09 11:14 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Freycinet]  
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#2678636 - 02/23/09 11:34 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Freycinet]  
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I'm pretty sure your link (in your first post) to the Sopwith Pup is actually linking to the Camel.


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#2678642 - 02/23/09 11:48 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Smosh]  
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That's it Freycinet! thumbsup

Smosh is right, the Pup is linking the Camel right now.

Here's the Pup at Dave's:

http://wwiaircombat.com/pics/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=60

Here's another Pup view:




#2678652 - 02/23/09 11:57 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Vanderstok]  
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#2678655 - 02/24/09 12:01 AM Re: Plane List [Re: Oscar_352nd]  
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Oscar, I think Master and Freycinet deserve the cake!

I looked all over for that SSW D.III with no success.

Of course Smosh's eagle-eyes knew something wasn't right with that big-nosed Pup! hahaha

#2678679 - 02/24/09 12:54 AM Re: Plane List [Re: Smosh]  
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Originally Posted By: Smosh
Master

I'm pretty sure your link (in your first post) to the Sopwith Pup is actually linking to the Camel.


Good eye indeed but I cant take you serious as an enthusiast until you address this situation properly. You must go through the proper sequence for getting an error in the first post fixed. I will not change it until someone shows me they are atrue enthusiast via PM...

edit: LMAO it is changed already smile

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#2679045 - 02/24/09 04:11 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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Under "Other", if you actually want to put vehicles in there, you could also find the various trucks and cars that have been shown... A French Renault comes to mind, no link, tho, sorry...


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#2679052 - 02/24/09 04:17 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Freycinet]  
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That is the plan but all my truck information from wwi and before is at home in a box. I dont know enough to pick them out by eye so it will have to wait till after work unless someone can post a screen shot and name the vehicle. smile

#2679077 - 02/24/09 04:41 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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Master, doing it for the tanks would be good.

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I put the tanks on there last night before bed and fixed an error this morning. I could only find 3 types of tanks sofar (one for each country.) If anyone find a different tank type let me know.

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Good deal!

We last saw the French FT17 in a recent video.

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Hahaha, sorry Master. Didn't mean to tread on toes.

When this sim comes out we'll sort it all out at 8000ft duel

smile


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You didnt tread on toes lol (read the last line of my first post)

Oddly no one has swore at me yet... I thought you guys were true enthusiasts! The lack of a true WWI Sim has made you all weak... and your mother's ugly!

smile

(Wait, we cant do that here or the thread will get locked...)

#2679578 - 02/25/09 06:30 AM Re: Plane List [Re: Master]  
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Guys, what are the first two flyable planes again? I think one was a Spad but can't find the post now. Also, I think I read you can buy two additional planes when the game is released to make it a total of 4 planes at release. What are the 4 planes?

Thanks.

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#2679580 - 02/25/09 06:40 AM Re: Plane List [Re: BuddyWoof]  
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Wish Viks would pop in this thread and tell us "yes all those planes and more!"

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Buddy, I think RoF will release with the N28 and Albatross D5, and you can also buy additionally the Fokke DVII and the Spad XIII.


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#2679617 - 02/25/09 09:42 AM Re: Plane List [Re: Trouble4u]  
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Originally Posted By: Trouble4u
Wish Viks would pop in this thread and tell us "yes all those planes and more!"


well, im here smile
Im cant tell exactly that, but there will be more than 4 planes for release wink
Cant tell right now which ones - they are in progress to be finished, but there is a quad of 100% - Fokker D.VII and SPAD XIII with game (player controlled) + Albatros D.Va and Nieuport 28 to upgrade (or as AI controlled with game).

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#2679665 - 02/25/09 12:35 PM Re: Plane List [Re: =FB=VikS]  
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Here's some views of the DFW C.V that VikS has cleared, from some of last year's textures. These views are WIPs, and shows the aircraft as a representation of the paint scheme from the DFW factory's last production batch. There will be more than one camo scheme for the DFW C.V upon release.







There's also another available plane that's not currently on the Master list, but this remains a mystery at the moment.

#2679668 - 02/25/09 12:51 PM Re: Plane List [Re: FlyRetired]  
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Nice shots, FR! "The Master list" biggrin


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A Roland C.II is definetely needed !

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Like that, huh Tbag. biggrin

Thought Master would like it too!

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Yep, the name just fits nicely! Go change the topic title!


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#2680167 - 02/25/09 10:27 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Tbag]  
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Nice pictures FlyRetired. That completes the plane list until someone spots a new plane in a screen or video. I have not found my 1920's era books yet. They are probably in the garage but I will hunt them down and put those trucks on the list sooner or later.

The Master List smile That is a good one!

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Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
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Wish Viks would pop in this thread and tell us "yes all those planes and more!"


well, im here smile
Im cant tell exactly that, but there will be more than 4 planes for release wink
Cant tell right now which ones - they are in progress to be finished, but there is a quad of 100% - Fokker D.VII and SPAD XIII with game (player controlled) + Albatros D.Va and Nieuport 28 to upgrade (or as AI controlled with game).


Awesome! More than 4 plane...yeah! I hope the DR. I is one of them...fingers crossed.

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My guess is

dvii dr1 dva,
spad13 nieuport28 camel

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Found another tank and added it to the list.

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Whatever happened to that Wiki that was setup by the developers for "Knights of the Sky"?

It was very promising; a good start for new players to brush up their knowledge of the WW1 airwar and it would have made a great place for online manuals, instructions for mission making etc...

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Master, here's the French FT tank I mentioned, as seen in the recent video.

The 3D model can serve as either an FT17 or FT18, as the rounded turret was fitted to both models, but was typical of the FT18.


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No sign of the AEG twin engined german bomber jobby then? That'd be nice to have as a flyable at some point.

Unless its the secret aircraft.......... smile


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Apparently a Breguet 14 is modelled and flying. Couldn't see that on the list, maybe I just missed it?

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BB, is that Gr.Viper spilling the beans, again! biggrin

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I didn't see it flying smile Only a very pretty and detailed model in 3D editor.

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Hi FlyR, yes. Gr.Viper appears to have insider knowledge and is of course located ideally geographically. Must try to get him to post here more.

You probably have already read the thread, but just in case: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=37285

Few interesting titbits, OFF, offline play, and to me especially, vibration.

Edit: Good to see you here Gr.Viper! Think I just assumed it was flying as you also described the animation of rear gunners.




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I sure did BB, and thanks to you for linking it, and to GV for posting it.

(that's the kind of office visit any of us would look forward to) Smile2

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It's not "insider knowledge", it's a visit from the press biggrin

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GV, can we expect an RoF article from you in the not too distant future?

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Uhh... If you buy a particular Russian game magazine, yes. Otherwise you only get comments like "Holy cow! you can actually ram another plane and mildly PUSH it instead of breaking every single plank in the area of contact."

#2682099 - 02/28/09 05:43 PM Re: The Master Plane List [Re: Master]  
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I put the Breguet 14 on the list as unconfirmed unless you also have a screenshot or even a picture you managed to sneak out?

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No pic. neoqb were showing me gunner animation on Breguet's WIP 3D model. Looked quite polished though. So we'll have to sit and wait for official pics...

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The Breguet 14 has been mentioned in lists since KotS days, here´s a mention from 2006:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/games-flight-sims/28277-ww1-knights-sky-plane-list.html

Too bad the Gennadich site was not really preserved...


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We never did have a 3D model previewed Freycinet, so that's the reason it has remained unconfirmed, until GV's interesting description now (and btw, wouldn't rear gunner animation make a wonderful subject for a new video update)!

There's a number of other aircraft on that previous list which have never been previewed either (like the Salmson, Hannover, and AEG).

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(and btw, wouldn't rear gunner animation make a wonderful subject for a new video update)!


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LOL, wonder how much of this cool stuff Neoqb wants to preview now, and what they want to save for the post-release "WOWS"?

(I doubt they run out)

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Any news of the Eindecker and Bullet?

It would really be a shame if they were to only do the late war planes...........


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Thanks for the list, good job.

I know the SE5a is on the list and has a cockpit view, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up. Does anyone know whether it is shipping with the game, or it's a pay to download plane?

Thanks a lot.


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Good question. From Gr.Viper on this Thread: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=37285

"E.g. there may not be a flyable SE5a in the box release, but you might see AI or other players online fly them - to get yourself into its pit, you'll have to pay."

Now how do you intrepret that? Is this a real example, or just a generic example to explain a point? I think its the latter.

Perhaps Gr.Viper can clarify if he sees these posts or you can post at the thread at CombatAce - he is a moderator and regular there.

And keep in mind whatever is discussed now may be still changed ...

AFAIK this is all we really have on whether the Se5a will be in or out, paid addon or not.




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It will be the first wwi flight simulation with micro transactions. You only get 4 planes to fly but for a nominal fee of 2.50 you can buy a one life in any of 20 other planes (Just kidding)

I am ok with buying an expansion pack. It seems like a cheat though if they have the expansion pack ready when the game ships but as long as the pricing isn't obscene I am ok with buying the extra planes.

#2682468 - 03/01/09 04:22 AM Re: The Master Plane List [Re: Freycinet]  
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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
The Breguet 14 has been mentioned in lists since KotS days, here´s a mention from 2006:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/games-flight-sims/28277-ww1-knights-sky-plane-list.html

Too bad the Gennadich site was not really preserved...


http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://gennadich.com

smile

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It is planned that on the day of release there already will be add-on planes available for purchase in the online store. SE5 was mentioned. Pfalz D.III was a maybe.

And I'm not quite sure about the plane list in the base package. I mean at the time of Igromir they said that 4 planes were to be there (S.13, F.7, N.28, A.5). Now it looked like there's gonna be only Spad and Fokker (anf N.17 for Russia) while the rest will await happy customers in the store. Charge

#2682518 - 03/01/09 09:02 AM Re: The Master Plane List [Re: Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Master
It will be the first wwi flight simulation with micro transactions. You only get 4 planes to fly but for a nominal fee of 2.50 you can buy a one life in any of 20 other planes (Just kidding)

I am ok with buying an expansion pack. It seems like a cheat though if they have the expansion pack ready when the game ships but as long as the pricing isn't obscene I am ok with buying the extra planes.


He-he, paying for ONE LIFE in another crate, that would be hilarious.... biggrin - But would probably also make for more realistic online combats! banghead

I don't think charging for extra planes is anything near being a cheat because it will allow casual players who just want a sniff at WWI air combat to get that. After trying out a few planes they can then decide if they want to plonk down more money for more planes. Of course it makes business sense to have some interesting planes as downloads, and not just the Siemens-Schuckert...


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Originally Posted By: franksvalli

Dave, that's a great find!

Master, there's almost all the object previews we ever saw while the sim was working up (as GT).

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Thank you for the replies BigBouncer and Viper! smile Very much appreciated.
I have full confidence in this sim being truly fantastic, that was my only concern, and I use the word loosely. To know that there *could* well be a flyable SE5a avalable from release.. Well, in short, i've just died and gone to ww1 sim heaven.

btw, rofl at the pay per life idea. That would certainly give the dogfights a different slant.
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Well, neophyte RFC fighter pilots in 1917 lasted an average of 18 days at the front, I think I read once...


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I am not going to be updating this anymore for obvious reasons. If anyone else wants to continue with this just pull the first post's info and put it in a new thread.

Thanks.

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Worth a bump for casual lurkers, maybe the info should be made sticky?


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Worth a bump for casual lurkers, maybe the info should be made sticky?


Thanks Mog, good call!


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A hearty bump of this thread, for the benefit of newcomers who might think the present planes are the only we'll see in RoF. Check out the first posting in this thread! And thanks again Master for the trouble you went through of compiling this.


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Check out the first posting in this thread!

Wilco.

Crikey

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Now, did I say you could look Ming? I remember specifically referring to newcomers... smile

BTW, I guess we have a link for the Breguet 14 now...


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I'm seeing a hell of a lot of planes there that will be in the sim

Am I getting this wrong and Question Two: is there a Dolphin Smile2

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Yes Ming, there's a Dolphin.

I sent some recent info on it to the "works" btw. wink

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Who can send Master a linky to the Bregeut 14 screenie, I can't find it...


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Yup! - Have pm'ed it to Master. Please don't remove the pic, Viper, if it gets to be linked from the first posting in this thread...


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Your Fokker D.VII and Spad XIII link is broken and you should also update the cockpit shot wink


...and can we get this stickied?


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Originally Posted By: Gr.Viper


Nice shot
You can compare it with a flying replica:

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Rama, is that the Breguet replica that you supplied flying references for?

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There's another screenie of the Breguet in the pics thread now, maybe better.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4296/2009514182614.jpg

The replca looks a bit diffferent, no windows on the side of the rear station.


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Mogster, there are differences between the Br.14 A2, and the Br.14 B2.

(the importance is that Neoqb knows how they're different)

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Originally Posted By: Mogster

The replca looks a bit diffferent, no windows on the side of the rear station.


The replica is different in many aspects. It was built on B14-B2 plans, but (for security reasons):
- wheel undercarriage is different
- they added a tail wheel
- wing profile is different (on the replica it's a NACA profile with less drag)
- Ailerons are larger.
... etc...

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Very cool.


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Thanks for the clarifications Rama.

The replica also doesn't seem to have the trailing edge lifting flaps as was typical on the B2 model, while the A2 usually was not so equipped as it was used "mostly" for reconnaissance work.

Here's a typical Breguet skin guide I've done of ten distinct schemes for one mission, although I haven't seen the U.S. 96th Aero Squadron's Breguets in-game yet. Because of supply difficulties in getting the Br.14 B2s, the Americans converted many of their A2s to carry external bombs. I researched the bomb racks they fabricated and created the work-ups for them also (low-res version).


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Nice, FR! I just finished drawing five Breguets for a pending book on the Aviation Militaire Belge, so I have Breguets on the brain. I hope they "unlock" that baby in the sim quickly because I'm dying to go bomb stuff. Hopefully during ingress/egress I can sneak through clouds and elude the scouts!

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It would be nice to have one of these larger army co-op aircraft flyable in the sim.

Some nice profiles here.

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/october/galleria/Breguet.htm

Seems strange now, post WW2, seeing a US aircraft with a swastica on the fin.


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heh this one has historical croatian red and white cubs (part of our national coat of arms)

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6535/breguet9th152q.jpg

That gives me an idea to put the cubes at the same spot....on my D-7

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Thank you Rob and Jim, and Jim, you'll have to let us know the title of that book you're working on!

The Breguet profile I showed above is one of many skin guides I did for the sim, but it's not a skinning template for the actual 3D model, and of course all the textures in RoF are done by Neoqb's wonderful artists.

As an example of how that Breguet profile fits into some of the background work done for RoF, here's the mission guide, map, and a condensed image assembly of the remaining distinctive profiles done for that one mission, Mission 19:






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Man, FR, that looks fantastic! I didn't realize this amount of detail went into missions and it's great to see.

Regarding books, I'm working on two. Well, one. The first book is the Richthofen book, which is being printed now and should be out next month ( http://www.airpowereditions.com/our-books-red-baron.html ). The Breguet illustrations I've drawn are for a pending book on the Aviation Militaire Belge (I do not know any official title yet) written by Walter M. Pieters. It will be THE book on the AMB and over 400 pages. I'm doing 70 profiles for it and I know Walter has 3,000 photographs from which to choose! I believe this will be published later this year or early next year.

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Well we'll have to see how much of this makes it into the intial release of the sim. wink

Jim, I'm going to order your Richthofen book as soon as it comes out, and will get the other one when it's published too (please keep me/us informed, ok)?

PS: I recognize your cover profile from OTF. Smile2

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Great work, FR, very impressive! I love those German skins...


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Thanks Freycinet, as I recall that mission workup took a bit over a week to do, and like many was created using official after-action reports.

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Originally Posted By: FlyRetired

PS: I recognize your cover profile from OTF. Smile2


Yes, that's in the book. Hopefully it prints better than in OTF--I thought those Albs came out a little too banana-yellow. Should be more like this:



Flattered you'll get the MvR book. You probably already most know everything in it but maybe you'll find something new here and there.

Again, great stuff on the mission info! I really enjoyed what you posted of the mission description, plane skins and map. Most excellent. Seeing that made me impatient for the sim.

(Edit: Man, the illustration is really reduced in here. Obviously, the actual profile is not nearly as jaggy.)

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Here it is in all its glory:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/JFM/Profiles/MvR6JulyDV.jpg

(Make sure your browser doesn't resize it to the browser window).

Beautiful profile, thax for the link JFM!


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FR -- I *must* insist that you stop posting material like that!! You are making me so anxious to see player made missions that my keyboard is now completely submerged in drool! thumbsup

All I can say is Wow!! jawdrop


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Also notice the red triangular flash painted onto the Alb. D.V's fuselage top just behind the cockpit coaming. Something Jim has correctly rendered that so many other aircraft illustrators have missed in the past. thumbsup

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Brian, I hope we see lots of mission crafting for RoF too!

As I mentioned before in the belly of some thread here, I'm not sure if skin schemes can be directly linked to in-game aircraft now (other than the one the player selects for his mount). This is a feature/mechanism I've pushed for, and when assured will allow skins to be custom-applied per mission. I built my missions with individual aircraft schemes, in anticipation of this capability being enabled.

Again, the sim is planned for growth.

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FR -- I *must* insist that you stop posting material like that!! You are making me so anxious to see player made missions that my keyboard is now completely submerged in drool! thumbsup

All I can say is Wow!! jawdrop


Agreed, FR this sort of stuff is just what ROF needs out of the box, I just hope it makes it onto the CD, or the first patch.


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(Edit: Man, the illustration is really reduced in here. Obviously, the actual profile is not nearly as jaggy.)


Well its not reduced now, its taking over the board.


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I'm not sure if skin schemes can be directly linked to in-game aircraft now (other than the one the player selects for his mount). This is a feature/mechanism I've pushed for, and when assured will allow skins to be custom-applied per mission

I think I saw something about gradual wearing of skins during campaigns being possible FR, that would be via this mechanism you're talking about perhaps

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I think I saw something about gradual wearing of skins during campaigns being possible FR, that would be via this mechanism you're talking about perhaps

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That would be cool! I'm a HUGE fan of weathered plane skins! thumbsup


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Thanks for the link, Freycinet. I hope I didn't hijack the thread with that Alb and I certainly don't want it taking over the board!

Yeah, FR, I'm sure you recall the "big debate" regarding the appearance of that little triangular area behind the cockpit--not quite on par with the color of Voss's F.1 cowling, but there's the "red crowd" and the "dark wood crowd." I went with red because on Manfred's D.V it appears so much darker (as dark as the wings, in fact) than on the (few) other Albs on which you can see a triangle area (where the factory headrest had been removed, for those wondering).

Anyway, have any more mission briefing/skins/maps you can (will) post?

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Originally Posted By: WWBrian
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I think I saw something about gradual wearing of skins during campaigns being possible FR, that would be via this mechanism you're talking about perhaps

Ming



That would be cool! I'm a HUGE fan of weathered plane skins! thumbsup


Agree with all that! With a slight caveat that IMO sometimes skinners get too crazy with weathering. Gradual weathering/wearing would be great.

How 'bout the mumbo-ridiculous idea of visible repairs? For instance, return from a mission with your D.VII shot up a bit and the next mission you have a bunch of little cockade patches that remain for the rest of the missions! Or significant areas of patched linen, replacement (i.e. mis-matched) ailerons, etc. A drawback is that over time your machine would not historically match its real-life counterpart, but it could be a cool feature, nevertheless. Of course, I don't expect this to be implemented because it probably exceeds the priorities of, well, most. Still, it's not as crazy as my wanting bugs on the windscreen and leading edges!

BTW, is there any in-cockpit damage modeled? Smashed instruments, bullet holes, etc?

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Very nice work Fly, will be fun to see that kind of history in the ROF SP campaign.


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Jim: Congratulations on the book; will look for it when it comes out. The plane illustration looks great and you obviously did a lot of research in creating them. What software programs do you use for these?


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Originally Posted By: JFM
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I think I saw something about gradual wearing of skins during campaigns being possible FR, that would be via this mechanism you're talking about perhaps

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That would be cool! I'm a HUGE fan of weathered plane skins! thumbsup


Agree with all that! With a slight caveat that IMO sometimes skinners get too crazy with weathering. Gradual weathering/wearing would be great.

How 'bout the mumbo-ridiculous idea of visible repairs? For instance, return from a mission with your D.VII shot up a bit and the next mission you have a bunch of little cockade patches that remain for the rest of the missions! Or significant areas of patched linen, replacement (i.e. mis-matched) ailerons, etc. A drawback is that over time your machine would not historically match its real-life counterpart, but it could be a cool feature, nevertheless. Of course, I don't expect this to be implemented because it probably exceeds the priorities of, well, most. Still, it's not as crazy as my wanting bugs on the windscreen and leading edges!

BTW, is there any in-cockpit damage modeled? Smashed instruments, bullet holes, etc?


We talked about the same thing while creating the Over Flanders Fields skins and tried to get a variety of new looking as well as older, worn looking skins.
A progression in weathering/damage would be neat. It could be done with decal overlays so as to save file space. Most planes were not around long enough before they were upgraded with newer models, but it seems like that the damage could very well be kept tack of in the data base and at some point it could trigger an announcement that your plane is beyond repair and you must wait for a replacement. You would then get a new, clean, shinny, showroom one to fly again? pilot


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Well here's a mission that I'm pretty sure won't ever make it into RoF, because of the need for the drifting kite balloon, but I think it's a neat scenario anyway.




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Just out of interest FR, in your mission outlines you have the altitudes shown. Were they really flying at 3000 to 4,500 meters in those flimsy little planes?

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The altitudes listed on my mission workups are those when "contact activation" begins.

As an example of ceilings, the maximum combat altitudes Nieuport 28s could reached often exceeded 5000 meters, and single aircraft in fine trim and tune could climb even higher.

http://www.airminded.net/n28/n28test.html

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Thanks, Rabu. I use Photoshop to make those. I use it because it was a gift years ago and one day I decided to make airplane skins for IL2 and stop bothering others with my requests. Eventually a couple years ago skinning morphed into profiles.

That kind of weathering/damage modeling in Phase 4 would be great! Although, as you said, most planes aren't around very long--certainly not those I fly! Note to OFFers: When flying Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutters, it's generally a good idea to wait for your escort before crossing the lines...

FR, great stuff! What a cool mission, on its own or in the midst of a campaign. How unusual that would be, being ordered to find and attack a drifting balloon!

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FR, did they actually paste a poster to the wing of the plane?

Regarding weathering of skins, I know that it will be in SoW:BoB. Only I don't know if that sim will ever come to fruition...


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Freycinet, yep, in two sizes in fact.

One of Eddie Rickenbacker's N.28s even had a poster on both wings. Smile2

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5000m? In those?! They were brave, brave men.

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5000m? In those?! They were brave, brave men.


And patient. . .climb performance above 3,000 meters would be truly lousy!


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From the report that FR posted. 20mins to 5K.

Quote:
ARMY AIR SERVICE, TECHNICAL SECTION DEPARTMENT OF TESTS

NIEUPORT AIRPLANE

TYPE: Nie. 28 C 1. (Dihedral nul) ENGINE: Gnome, single valve, Type 9N.

REPORT OF TESTS
Place: Villacoublay Date: October 14, 1917. Name of pilot: Mallard LOAD: 228 kgs. PROPELLAR: Levasseur Series: 592 No.(Test)


ALTITUDES (1) DURATION OF ASCENT HORIZONTAL SPEED
in meters Minutes R.P.M (2) Km per hour R.P.M.(2)
1,000 2'25" 1250
2,000 5'15" 1240 198 1380
3,000 8'55" 1220 194 1360
4,000 13'25" 1210 189 1335
5,000 20'20" 1200 179 1290

Maximum altitude: 6800 m
REMARKS
(1) Standard Altitude
(2) Revolutions of engine.


7 mins to go from 4K to 5K.......


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Bump.........


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bump
With new aircraft coming, I wanted to see what could be on the menu for next time - see first post in this thread.


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Thanks Papa!!

...I just finally finished wiping up the drool from the LAST time I visted this thread. rofl

I can't wait!!


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Yeah, bumping this thread wasn't a very nice act ^^

Anyway, am I the only one around here who wants to fly the Sopwith Dolphin? wink


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Nope, I'd love to have a dolphin also. Especially a 3,4,or6 gun version. smile

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If we can find Dolphin plans there is a possibility that it could be built by neoqb or er, us

No. 19 Squadron RFC's plane for a time. Bit of a beast

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I hope the list eventually expands a little earlier in the war, to include the Eindecker (Fokker E.III?).

Video link: Fokker Scourge

I think a zeppelin (non-flyable?) might add some fun.

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I think a zeppelin that is flyable would be a better addition.

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Bump.

Still can't understand why this thread isn't sticky......


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Hear Hear, Mogster. This may even sway a "fence sitter" to get into the sim if they see their fave ride has a chance to or definitely will be in the sim.

Nice work too Master, thanks for the effort you took to find these gems. Smile2

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Originally Posted By: Ming_EAF19
If we can find Dolphin plans there is a possibility that it could be built by neoqb or er, us

No. 19 Squadron RFC's plane for a time. Bit of a beast

Ming


Windsock Data File # 54 would be a good place to start.

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Originally Posted By: Biggles07
Nice work too Master, thanks for the effort you took to find these gems. Smile2


Almost all of the work came from other people in the community. I just compiled them together into one list.

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Ah, beggin yer pardon good Sir lol.....Didn't read the full thread before posting. Thanks to Flyretired et al too for seeking em out, but it was a good idea anyways, so yer getting credit too Master, whether you likes it or not! Hehehe hahaha

And yes, this should be stuck to the page, with Marmite if necessary

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#2826627 - 07/25/09 03:38 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Biggles07]  
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I need to go back through and relink all the pictures since riseofflight.com switched some things around. Also we need a list for current planes, coming soon planes and future planes.

#2826632 - 07/25/09 03:41 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Ming_EAF19]  
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Originally Posted By: Ming_EAF19
If we can find Dolphin plans there is a possibility that it could be built by neoqb or er, us

No. 19 Squadron RFC's plane for a time. Bit of a beast

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It was being built by NeoQB, can't see why they wouldn't complete it one day

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That Dolphin model is still very nice, even though these are very wip shots from 2005.

I'd like to see the view from the Dolphin cockpit, with that high wing it looks atrocious smile I hope Neoqb have this on the flyable list.

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/gbritain/sopwith_dolphin.php

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The layout in the link pic with the 2 upward pointing mgs almost in the pilots lap looks like one for the true mentalist smile

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#2826994 - 07/26/09 04:23 AM Re: Plane List [Re: Mogster]  
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Originally Posted By: Mogster
The layout in the link pic with the 2 upward pointing mgs almost in the pilots lap looks like one for the true mentalist smile


Almost every pic I have seen of the Dolphin had the upward pointing MGs. I would love to try that plane in ROF.

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http://www.wwi-models.org/IM/British/dolphin.html

A nice 1/48 Dolphin model and good info.

It seems that the Dolphin suffered from being a being a rather (ugly?) unconventional design than from any performance issues. Like the Se5a, US production seems to have been agreed if WW1 had dragged on into 1919.

Hey we have have IL2 1946, maybe at some point we could have ROF 1919 wink


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#2827085 - 07/26/09 11:48 AM Re: Plane List [Re: Mogster]  
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Hello,

look here, those birds should be there already - they were made for the release of "Knights of the sky", the project that then became "Rise of Flight.

http://wwiaircombat.com/pics/thumbnails.php?album=3&page=1

The Dolphin's at page 2 lower right.

Hmm, 3 pages, and you'll have to pay for each plane now - maybe that's just why some people are a bit reluctant towards this sim, after they expected to get all those planes with the initial one, for one price.

Greetings,
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Hmm Smile2

Yes Brigs (thanks mate) that gennadich info and more on the Dolphin is in our EAF forum where Sporran and I are thinking on

I was going to say that VikS hasn't replied to my request about neocube model specs and the state of their Dolphin-model play but on checking I see I didn't ask him yet. It'll be the drink, memory brownout Smile2

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#2827362 - 07/26/09 07:18 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Ming_EAF19]  
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An update from the dev's as to the status of the models we've already seen would be good for the community. Some idea as to what and maybe when would be nice too. OK we know the Se5a and Pfalz are on the horizon but what's next?

WIP screenies are always gratefully received.

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My guess is that most of the models listed in the first post are built but they are just built as 3d models and not game models. They probably still need to be broken down and optimized which is the largest part of the development cycle for a 3d game model.

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That list goes quite a long way towards a complete late 1917-1918 planeset.

I remember one of the IL2 modellers posting a screenie showing all the models required to get one flyable ready for inclusion to IL2. There were rather a lot, maybe 30, several different lods to save resources when viewing the aircraft at different distances, several different damage states and other stuff that I can't remember. I suspect ROF is even more complex, although I'm not sure it uses variable distance lods though.


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Not seen any signs of visible LOD transitions at any time they're all perfectly formed and shining in the sunlight. Glinting Smile2

We know now what's on the horizon but we also want to know what lies over the horizon hmm, hostage to fortune. In other words if they tell us what's over the horizon and it doesn't materialise by virtue of it being over the horizon- we may claim we've been lied to. Not good business

But that unknowable flyable zone had better include the Sopwith.

Series Smile2

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#2845536 - 08/21/09 04:15 PM Re: Plane List [Re: Ming_EAF19]  
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Well as perfect texels (whatever they are) are the future, according to Carmak and Id software, we should see an end to blurred textures forever. No more lod's just gloriously sharp textures from close up to long distance. Sounds like just the thing for flight sim terrain.


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